Thursday, December 17, 2009

Just Because

10 comments:

Timmay said...

Why don't you shut down the blog and just leave a link to Sarah Palin's brain?

Big Tasty said...

Haha I thought you would like that. I found that on Facebook, and thought it kind of fit with the dispute we were having earlier.

I in no way, shape, or form am a backer of Sarah Palin. She is using the stupidity of the country to further her political future. That I do not support. I am not saying the conservatives have it figured out any better. I personally feel like this is the best time to be a republican, in this country because you could reap the benefits of a huge budget defecit, the problems with the economy, and the problems within the democratic party regarding this healthcare reform. Yet with Obama's approval numbers going down, I dont see any coservatives cashing in on it. The system is broken in my eyes. Republicans dont run on conservative values and if they do you get Sarah Palin. What happened to the right wing, Ronald Reagan conservatives, that balanced budgets, cut all the pork out of bills, and watched as the US became a super power? I agree we somehow have to meet in the middle, but I see the old right wing moving the middle and left wing moving further left.

Timmay said...

Well, I think the Republicans cashed in on a couple of governor seats in November. I think the big letdown for them is that the economy is showing signs of improvement, a good chunk of the TARP money has been paid back with interest, job losses are going down, etc., and by the time next November comes for the Senate / House elections, Obama might look like he wasn't completely wrong.

He certainly has been taking a beating recently in the media and the polls are showing it. The people talking to the pollsters get their information from the media. Hmm... I thought the liberal news media would only report positive stuff about Obama and the rubes out here in the world would think he was the second coming of Christ.

The reality is that Obama is getting criticized at every turn by basically every paper and magazine printed in this country. I read Newsweek on a regular basis. They were harsh on Bush, and the right told us they would never treat a Democrat that way. Well, news for the right, Newsweek has been bashing Obama on both wars, the economic bailout, being beholden to Wall Street and being more of the same bullshit, not delivering on the promise of change, doesn't deserve the Nobel Prize, etc.

I'm not saying the criticism is unfair, that is the role of the media in a free country. I can't be in D.C. every day to watch these fuckers, so I'm counting on the "press" to let it all hang out. I just don't see the bias as brightly as some like to call it.

Timmay said...

Another example. Palin on the cover of Newsweek in her running outfit (from her photo shoot with Runner's World). She cries out bias, would never do this to a Democrat, etc. It was sexist to show her in that light. It was anti-conservative. They were trying to undermine her credibility.

Newsweek's response: Please see our cover picture of Obama in his swimming trunks, shirtless, on the beach in Hawaii on vacation that we published last year. Also recall that when they ran that photo, the right called it another case of liberal media and "Obama worhsip."

Palin in running shorts - biased in favor of Obama. Obama in swim trunks - biased in favor of Obama. No matter what they do, they are biased. Talk about retardation.

I think the real problem is that a lot of the folks complaining about the liberal media rarely pick up a newpaper or political publication. They just get stupid forwarded emails all week and hear Rush or Fox News telling them how bad it would be if they actually put down the cheeseburgers and read a real newspaper for once.

I had to listen to my father-in-law lecture me about owning two Hondas. You know, during 9/11, Honda didn't do shit to help, but Ford and GM sent all kinds of cars and money to help the clean-up and rescue effort. He got that from an email that told him stuff "that the liberal media doesn't talk about." Well, it turns out the liberal media didn't talk about that because Honda gave millions of dollars to the Red Cross rescue effort there and also donated huge generators because of the lack of electric power at the scene. Fuckin' Honda and their liberal media friends.

Big Tasty said...

Well the TARP money is being paid back, so I tend to believe that we shouldnt have bailed them out in the first place. I can place as much blame on Bush as Obama for that, but if we would have let the banks go under, the ones that could suceed, buy the ones that couldnt, (you know let capitalism work) we wouldnt be in a situation where we are now. Now you see the president encouraging the banks to lend(we helped you now you have to help us) when the fed is telling them not to. A mixed message we are sending.

I dont mean to go too far off tangent. I dont read newsweek but it sounds like they are not part of any media bias, that I am speaking of. I dont read the papers but I do watch the news, read blogs, and feel in touch with plenty of media outlets and I see more of them praising the good work done by our president than I do see differently. The polls would certainly disagree with the A- grade he gave himself during his first year in office. Dont get me wrong there is bias both ways, like you said if you watch Fox news you will see Obama being ripped to shreds. But if you watch CNBC he will be lauded for the way he is handling the war, and for the success of his stimulus package. Neither is probably a fair look, but I think you will agree there is certainly a bias in media's coverage of politics. I just feel like there are many more liberal media outlets then there are conservative outlets, this is just my misinformed opinion. Really it doesnt matter because perceived belief has the same effect as real bias. Like you said with the argument with your Father in Law. He got that through an email forward. Public opinion is going to be shaped on a perceived belief just as much as it is the facts or a bias pushed by the media. So I very well could be wrong, I dont believe everything I read in an email, I certainly dont believe every thing I see on CNBC or Fox. Maybe my view that there is a liberal bias in the media is as fucked up as the opinion that global warming isnt as big of a problem as the left wants you to believe. But all it is an opinion. Your opinion is that there is no media bias, that the media reports the facts, that they will rip the decisions of everyone no matter who holds office. They hold no agendas. Or are you saying they show bias both ways, depending on whom is writing the article, and which outlet they work for? I am not saying you are right or wrong, I am not smartenough to make those claims. I do however feel like I am smart enough to form an opinion on the things I read and see, whether I base that on what is fact what is reported to me biasedly, or what is perceived hardly matters in the slightest.

Timmay said...

I think you're right. Very few people under the age of 40 actually sit down and watch the news or read their local paper cover to cover. We tend to get news off of internet feeds, blogs, stuff we can look at on our Blackberries and iPhones, etc.

I do hear Obama telling the banks to start lending some money to small businesses, because that is who creates the jobs. I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the right has been saying for 20 years, help small businesses, create jobs. Now, that becomes the wrong thing to do, because Obama said it. I don't know how the Fed is telling banks not to loan money. Interest rates are still reasonable. I don't think anybody is saying to pass out upside-down mortgages like hotcakes.

I don't see the right moving to the middle at all. I see both sides getting progressively more extreme - meaning both are getting WORSE. McCain lost because he was too far to the middle. The only reason Palin was picked is because she was absurdly to the right and many of the votes they got were because of Palin.

The Democrats really came to middle 15 years ago, Clinton was basically a Republican who liked black people. The right responded by going farther right, and it got rave reviews. Bush and his genius Karl Rove brough the nutsacks out of the woodwork by getting hot button hillbilly issues like gay marriage and gun rights on the ballot in November.

If you want every super-right, hillbilly douche to show up and vote for the "least communist" candidate (the Republican), just put gay marriage on the ballot. They'll come out in droves. It was genius and it got Bush, Jr., elected twice. The liberal media was powerless against it.

Well, the Democrats decide to fight fire with fire and go more left. Try to get some of those Nader people back to the Dems. Talk about labor rights, the environment, etc. It worked. They got enough of the looney left to join the Dems, and that countered the looney, religious right that the Republicans were stocking their shelves with.

I do think the stage is set for somebody to go Clinton on their ass, and hopefully the Republicans are smart enough to do it. Our country could use a little moderation. Still, with Palin being the voice of the party - who else is there being heard right now? - I don't think they are moving center at all.

Big Tasty said...

Well the Fed isnt telling them not to borrow, but they are saying you cannot take on risky loans like you did before. Because of that Banks are hesitating to loan, and the feeling that I get around Madison, is the people with money around here are having a hard time getting projects green lit, because banks are refusing to lend. I guess you can say Obama is doing the right thing buy telling them to lend, I personally think the right thing to do is have govt leave it to the banks to decide when the loans should be given etc. But like you said that move was a move to appease to coservatives, I just personally feel it is not the presidents job to tell the finacial instutitons what to do.

The reason I say republicans are moving more towards the center is because of the type of legislation that is being passed. The stimulus package for one, would have been shot down by 90% of old republicans. These bills just have so much pork in them, and like you said the only voice the Republicans have is Palin who is so far right I wouldnt even get behind her. I see a lot of Republicans that talk the talk when they are running for office but when they get to Washington they have there hand out like a good boy just like everyone else. Does anyone make fiscally smart policy decisions anymore?

But we are in agreement that it is going to take some moderate to really get the legislation to work together. I now think McCain would have been that man, but I think he lost not because he was too moderate, but because he was running as a republican after George W. Bush. You heard it, we were ready for change, and we got it in a big way, but I am not sure that extreme change actually breeds results. I am not really on either side of this healthcare reform (I see advantages to both sides), but with the extremes on both sides, what is left of the bill when it finally passes will most likely leave everyone unhappy.

I dont think Obama is doing a bad job, but I do question his spending. Most will point that he is doing what he has to get us out of the recession and one of the lead indicators, the stock market, is making it look like we are back on our feet. But I certainly dont get that feel when i talk to people in the industry i work in. By all estimates 2010 is going to be worse than 09, and the long term outlook may be 3-4 years before we are recoverd. Now it would be completely unfair to blame the President (he came into a shitty situation, a really shitty situation) or to say that he is not doing enough, but I would also caution to say what he is doing has helped. I just feel like this deficit is needs to be addressed sooner rather than later. We are reaching an unprecedented territory, with no solutions or possible solutions on the horizon. What type of America is there going to be for your son and my daughter?

Big Tasty said...

I didnt get much work done today...

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Timmay said...

I don't know. I do know that the Beatles and that damn rock and roll music were the end of civilization 50 years ago, and we got through that.

We got through the Great Depression and the "idiot" that spent our way of it. We got through Nixon's crimes and Vietnam. We survived the end of the world of a second Clinton term and we even survived two terms of the anti-christ (Bush, Jr.) and Satan himself (Cheney) as veep. Pretty much everything has been getting worse since the beginning of time, if you listen to the media.

It's not like we just started spending money for the first time. The defecit was basically invented by a sham known as the Cold War. We spent billions upon billions to compete with the evil Soviet empire - which was basically a defunct, broken down housing project with a barking dog out front.

What happened that made Clinton's so easy was the tech boom. Hundreds of billions of wealth and trade in an entirely new industry. Nobody really saw that coming and the world was ending in the 80's.

That's why I really think people are selling green energy short. Who gives a fuck if it has nothing to do with the climate, it is still a good practice generally to reduce pollution, find renewable resources and, guess what, there's a whole fucking trillion dollar industry out there waiting to be born.